Scoop6 Poll 4th Sep – Vote Now
Please vote for your Scoop6 selections below by entering the number of each selection you fancy in each Scoop6 race for this Saturday 4th Sep. Also, after submitting your vote please enter your name and/or email when prompted. You have until midday on Saturday to get your votes in.
Anyone who is interested also please feel free to post your thoughts and reasoning in the forum thread for this weekends Scoop6. I am looking for a team of people to analyse a race or two in detail so that we can form a selection panel for the future syndicate selections to use alongside/or in conjunction with the poll results.
If you could put in a short (or long if you like) analysis of your reasoning behind your main selection and danger in however many races you like before midday on Saturday in this forum thread, I will then post up the results in the thread around 1pm on Saturday once all poll results and previews have been analysed.
It’s also an ‘audition’ for those willing to be part of the Scoop6 selection panel with a view to forming a select group to pick out the final Scoop6 selections and discuss perms when the syndicate proper kicks off in October.
We’ve got a £71,885 win fund rollover and £30,808 bonus fund rollover for Saturday’s Scoop6 which is made up of races from Haydock and Kempton. The Betfred Sprint Cup is the highlight of the Haydock card whilst the tote sponsor all 7 races at Kempton. Remember that a bet with us helps to support UK racing.
Here’s the important Scoop6 info:
leg 1 Haydock 1.55
leg 2 Haydock 2.25
leg 3 Haydock 2.55
leg 4 Kempton 3.10
leg 5 Haydock 3.30
leg 6 Thirsk 3.40
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1.55 H Blue Jack. Consistent in big fields and versatile. In good form this summer, trip and ground no problem. Sprint handicaps aren't really my thing but he appears as the percentage call.
Danger: Arganil. Has been tried in higher grade and comes here after a break, but has run well fresh in the past. Trainer adept in taking down this type of contest.
2.25 H Confront. Ultra tough and consistent, versatile regarding ground and tops ratings. His second to Aqlaam in a G2 at Ascot is good form and he still appears to be progressing whilst some of his older rival here don't appear to be on an upward curve.
Danger: We'll Come. A frustrating horse at times but has won 2 from last 3 starts. Seems to need things to go his way though.
2.55 H Kings Destiny. One of the least exposed in the field and up 8lbs for latest win, but there seems to be more to come from him. No ground worries and trainer no stranger to handicap success at this track.
Danger. Hits only Vic. Consistent sort and race conditions to suit but a lot of weight to carry and jockey on long losing run.
3.10 K Musleh. Stable on a roll and Frankie has won from the front on him over this course last twice with horse's head in his chest. A potentially trappy handicap but this guy seems to have plenty in his favour.
Danger. Multakka. Stable getting in to top gear and this horse has solid AW form, so a realistic alternative.
3.30 H. Main Aim. Unlucky in July Cup, then ran no sort of race last time at Goodwood. Deserves another chance on more suitable ground. Can race up with the pace or come from behind. If ground is good to soft or softer I don't see him getting beat.
Danger. HighStanding. Made a successful transition to pattern company from handicaps having already excelled in that sphere and deserves to take his chance here. Suited by coming from off the pace, and hard to see him failing to at least make the frame.
3.40 T. Rangefinder. A tricky handicap, but Cumani has done well with his Italian imports and this won has been knocking on the door without winning in Britain. Booking of Holland is a plus.
Danger. Shaloo Diamond. Consistent and won't mind ground. Races prominently, which is an advantage at this track, so a plausible alternative.
Good luck
Bob
Looks like it's you and me so far then Bob, cheers for that. Come on folks, get your opinions in, even if it's only for one or two races.
Worth pointing out the sprint course may not be riding as soft as the rest of the course so worth bearing in mind when assesing the 1.55 and 3.30 races. Soft or heavy ground throws ratings and form books out the window and requires a somewhat alternative analysis so I am going to bear that in mind when finalising my own selections for my own Scoop6 perm.
This is one of the more intriguing days racing for quite some time.
Haydock 1.55
Although I have Hamish McGonagall top rated that is largely due to his consistency but his habit of finding one too good is frustrating and he has had a few tough ones lately. STRIKE UP THE BAND is a big price but his form behind Borderlescott at Chester last time in a listed contest looks pretty good now and Nicholls has an excellent s/r both with sprinters and at the track. His son Adrian takes the ride.
Blue Jack and Northern Dare are next on my ratings and NORTHERN DARE is preferred with a 6lb pull giving him a chance of reversing the form on a more preferable softer surface. The booking of the excellent Jim Crowley is an additional bonus for the Nicholls sprinter.
Arganil is one that takes my eye a bit further down. He was only beaten a few lengths in a GP2 here on desperate ground behind Look Busy and was then not disgraced in a GP3 behind Knot in Wood over 6f in the Chipchase Stakes at Newcastle. This drop to 5f with a bit of cut could be ideal and he looks a big price but he has a fair bit of weight to overcome.
STRIKE UP THE BAND – NORTHERN DARE
Haydock 2.25
Be very interesting to see what kind of a ride CONFRONT gets as I don't feel Ryan Moore gave him the best of rides last time when dead-heating and the step back up to a mile may help although I'm not sure how he will handle the going.
Ratings-aside, one I have had a gg-alert for when ground is genuine soft or heavy over a mile, conditions he has not had for some time is SMOKEY OAKEY. He is 3/4 over a mile when the ground has been soft or heavy and included a hot handicap at Ayr and the William Hill Lincoln last year. If that was not enough he landed the Group3 Brigadier Gerard at Sandown last season on soft ground from Maraahel and Pipedreamer. He has not shown much since then but has not had the optimum conditions he has today. He has been gelded since last year, has been working really well at home and is my hurdler to follow for the forthcoming jumps season when he is sent over timber.
CONFRONT – SMOKEY OAKEY
Haydock 2.55
This is going to be a war of attrition and a real slog. The winner is going to need to have boundless stamina and handle the conditions and track. The first one that sprung to my mind was Som Tala who will face similar conditions as he did at Newcastle in the Plate and has Kieren Fallon in the plate but he is none too consistent and is way down my ratings for this. HITS ONLY VIC is remarkably consistent and the softer the better. He ran a cracking 3rd in the Ebor last time and has carried a big weight on heavy ground over this course and distance before. He will be first on my list. However, I am not convinced MAGICALMYSTERYTOUR had the best of runs when 7th behind him that day and he has a 6lb pull for a few lengths beating. He has form on soft, notably when beating the subsequent Group class Tastahil last season and can run a big race given more luck in running this time.I will throw a 3rd one in the ring and when you are looking at a stamina test you have to think about Mark Johnston. Alanbrooke looks the obvious one but I think soft ground and a trip could be the making of YES MR PRESIDENT. By Montjeu he should relish the conditions and has been running well of late.
MAGICALMYSTERYTOUR – HITS ONLY VIC – YES MR PRESIDENT
Kempton 3.10
Trappy race but MUSLEH did leave quite an impression last time and could be tough to peg back. Frankie goes here instead of Haydock which says a lot I think. The low draw is a huge worry though so I'll go with top-rated C&D winner SET THE TREND for the Balding/Buick combo out of stall 15 as my other selection.
MUSLEH – SET THE TREND
Haydock 3.30
If there is no more significant rain then I am going to go with the top-rated FLEETING SPIRIT. I think the fact she skipped the Nunthorpe could have been a blessing actually as she goes better fresh and her form is head and shoulders above anything else in the field. I've watched the July Cup a few times in the last few days and the fact she wandered all over the place detracted somewhat from the electric acceleration she showed that day and if she had stayed straight she would have won by even further. Her proven form at the course is also a plus and she should take all the beating if lining up. If more rain does arrive then her participation has to be in doubt and one that could come rught into the mix is last year's Ayr Gold Cup winner REGAL PARADE for sprint-king Dandy Nicholls. I've already pointed out his good record at this track but any rain would bring this Pivotal gelding right into the equation, not much to find with Finjaan and the like and softer ground could make a huge difference for this improving sprinter. Another danger if Fleeting Spirit doesn't line up would be High Standing. He has improved so much as the season has progressed with wins in the Wokingham and last time in the Hackwood Stakes. He has a bit to find but rapidly improving sprinters are preferred to others that have been found wanting at this level and a 6/6 over 6f and Group1 win for Fallon could be the story of the day, well at least for 20 minutes anyway
FLEETING SPIRIT – REGAL PARADE (HIGH STANDING 2nd bet if FS absent)
Thirsk 3.40
Hardest race of the 6 to me and a real minefield.I have no real opinion on this race and can't muster the enthusiasm to look right now, so I will just trust in my ratings and go with the top-two.
DEMOLITION – SHALOO DIAMOND
Just to point out Dave your form for the scoop6 is wrong, there is no 3.10 and 3.30 races at Haydock
Gaz
Ok my bad, there is a 3.30 at Haydock, sleep still in the eyes, well that's my excuse, lol
Tough day ahead me thinks for picking out of this lot lol
Well here goes with selections….
1355 Haydock 4. Arganil..likes the soft ground and I believe at 14/1 is value and should give a good account
10. Mattamia..again good figures and could be a suprise package here, and I believe 16/1 is one of the value bets of the day
1425 Haydock 1. Ordance Row..Good form figures and I believe will like the ground, odds of 8/1 at the moment, again value, though there is a negative regarding the penalty due to last win..but IMO will be in the frame.
8. Rock and Roll Kid..Interesting this one, I have found this nag likes very soft ground and I believe a good run on the cards and shock winner!
1455 Hadock 10. Nemo Spirit..will love the ground and a big plus on speed ratings, will go well!
1. Hits Only Vic..Another good on ratings and looks a big contender, again should like the ground
1510 Kempton 1. Set the Trend..high on speed figures and good at course so should be given a tenative vote..very tricky race
3. Multakka..good form figures and could go well, not too confident in this race..quite a number on shortlist, Multakka is a choice of thinking outside the box!
1530 Haydock 14. Fleeting Spirit…Tops the speed ratings by a mile and will run well if runs!
3. Corrybrough…Could spring a suprise, rated high for my ratings and will IMO give a good account
8. Main Aim…I do like this horse and I think more than capable of winning today and should enjoy the course and distance
1540 Thirsk 4. Demolition..This is value for money and I believe bet of the day for the scoop 6 races anything around 10/1 is value, it is way ahead of the speed figures and should go great.
14. Destinys Dream..like the look of this if runs, high up there on speed and will cope well at course and at the distance
My two year old has picked the following
1355- Parisian Pyramid
1425- Rock and Roll Kid
1455- Conquisto
1510- Musleh
1530- High Standing
1540- Spring Goddess
Take out Destinys Dream and put in Hurlingham…in Thirsk 1540
Ok well here are the poll results, think I will scrap this though as a very poor turnout and I don't need to be wasting my time, seems like most people interested in the Scoop6 don't want to have a say in the selections apart from the same handful of people so that is the way it looks like it will be going with the 'panel option' and I'll amend the agreement to reflect this.
Anyway, enough of my whining, clear rated selections in bold, others are joint-top rated
1355- Arganil & Blue Jack
1425- Rio De La Plata – Ordnance Row & Confront
1455- Hits Only Vic & Conquisto
1510- Musleh & Highly Regal
1530- High Standing
1540- Rangefinder & Coeur De Lionne
Ok using my ratings and a combo of the vote along with the guys who posted their opinion (cheers guys)…here would be the final perm I would consider…
1355- ARGANIL – BLUE JACK – STRIKE UP THE BAND
1425- RIO DE LA PLATA – CONFRONT
1455- HITS ONLY VIC – CONQUISTO
1510- MUSLEH – SET THE TREND
1530- FLEETING SPIRIT – HIGH STANDING
1540- DEMOLITION – RANGEFINDER
So 96 lines @ £2 = £192
I think this gives us a fair amount of coverage and is the best I could come up with so we shall see how it goes
Anyone else please feel free to post up their perms as I will be looking to recruit a few people to help out once we go 'live'
Hey Dave,
Thanks for the posts there, look good to me, I though really have a sneaky feeling about Rock n Roll Kid in 1425…though I am happy with the picks you have with the 96 lines, 2nd option….for me mate your hard work is much appreciated.
Sean
bit late but been busy this morning. my perm would be
155 hay BLUE JACK / NORTHERN DARE
225 hay CONFRONT / ORDNANCE ROW
255 hay MAGICALMYSTERYTOUR / HITS ONLY VIC
310 kem MUSLEH / SET THE TREND
330 hay FLEETING SPIRIT / MAIN AIM
340 thi DEMOLITION / COEUR DE LIONNE
My list – sorry no time for reasons . I was going to say that next week I'd just do a couple of races , with analysis , and forget looking at all 6 for the vote , but I see from Dave's comment above that the vote's likely to go anyway .
1.55 Northern Dare – Fathom Five – Hamish McGonagall
2.25 Charlie Farnsbarne – Bushman
2.55 Hindu Kush – Clear Reef – Alanbrooke
3.10 Musleh
3.30 High Standing
3.40 Hurlingham – Rosbay – Shaloo Diamond
54 bets @ £2= £108
1.55 Totally misread the draw – actually gave the lowest draws two or three pounds penalty ! Oh dear !
Mike
Ok well what did we learn this week. Well, I think a lot of people want to be involved in the Scoop6 but very few want to be involved in the selection process, just holding the big cheque I think will do which is fair enough as not everyone has the time or maybe inclination to go through 6 races with a toothcomb. I must admit that some races I struggled to analyse and they were the ones I had the most problems with, notably the races at Kempton and Thirsk.
I have a list of all the people who put in their name and the ones who have been putting up their selections the last few weeks and I think they will form the 'panel' of selectors if they are willing as well as a few people that I have on the backburner that have not really posted as much as I would have liked on these threads, whether that is because of external commitments or lack of interest in pool bets I don' t know, but it's a shame that more people did not post as I think we could potentially nail these bets with the combined knowledge we have on this forum.
Obviously we can have a pool of say 1/2 dozen or more people and either everyone takes a race but I think it's best if everyone puts in a main selection 'and danger' from all the races if possible as above. Perhaps though we can allocate one race per person to take a 'closer' look at.
For example it's no coincidence I think that the 3 races I took a look at today I managed to find all 3 winners in – Confront, Royal Regal and Yes Mr President. The two I didn't have much of an opinion on I struggled with, the 3.10 at Kempton and 3.40 at Thirsk.
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Summary
Haydock 1.55 Arganil went so close picked out by Bob and mentioned by myself and the poll but Cheveton would have been hard to find although with Tom's Laughter being a non-runner that meant that Cheveton was a 3*** on my conditions ratings and was dropping in prizemoney fairly significantly, which I missed although would not have considered it. I do know that the conditions * ratings have thrown up winners in the past at big odds, particularly so in handicaps so it's worth keeping an eye on. Strike The Band ran well for my ratings but the key thing here seemed to be the draw with 1-6-7-3 being the top-4 and 4 of the last 5 being drawn 17-14-12-15.
Haydock 2.25 Confront was clear top-rated on my ratings and selected by Bob, Shilly and was 2nd on the poll so could have been argued to have been a 'banker'. Mike mentioned the 2nd Bushman which was 4th on my ratings.
Haydock 2.55 Another for my ratings and analysis as Yes Mr President who I had ranked 4th (1st on 'old' ratings) relished the conditions and step up in trip. The top-2 on my ratings ran poorly and I think I should have realised that a tough race in the Ebor combined with conditions probably led to their downfall. Sean picked out the 2nd Nemo Spirit, Mike had the 3rd Alanbrooke shortlisted and Bob had Kings Destiny. Pooled tricast bet anyone ?
Kempton 3.10 I messed up the poll vote on this. Highly Regal was no.8 and that should have been the vote in the next race for Main Aim…spooky huh as it went on to win at 33/1 which goes to show that even a random strategy can throw up a winner
Musleh was actually clear of anything else in the race but was done by the draw. Tartan Gigha was closest on my ratings in 5th while Sequillo was a big price for a horse who finished 1122 in his last 4 races.
Haydock 3.30 I was quite strong on Fleeting Spirit as she was clear rated but did have my doubts about the ground. On closer analysis I really fancied the winner Regal Parade as he looked to be an improving type who would relish conditions, possibly moreso than High Standing as he had been racing in better class company and appeared to be the 'value' selection and I only had HS as third best. Between us all we had the 1-2-3.
Thirsk 3.40 A winner for Bob and the poll with Rangefinder scoring in the final leg. A close 4th in my ratings but nobody had the 2nd and 3rd.
The good news is it's a rollover so let's hope it lasts until the start of October when we can get involved for a big pot
A useful site…
http://www.scoop6.co.uk/results/
Scoop6 Win Fund Total : £149,165
(£71,886 carried over from last week)
There was no winner this week
Scoop6 Place Fund Total : £44,160
There were 48 correct selections each winning £919.90
Scoop6 Bonus Fund Total : £63,928
(£30,808 carried over from last week)
Personally , I think I tried a bit too hard to find a 20/1+ winner , though with only one fav winning and one placing the idea was right ; I probably also focussed a bit too much on proven going preferences (hence abandoning Confront , whose only run over soft was his worst ever) . Nobody would find Highly Regal except by accident . Cheveton might have been found , I think – I dismissed it because it was drawn 1 , but on its best form you could have top-rated it , and though it had rather disappointed more recently it had still been well-backed (fav four times) .
Selection method – if everyone puts in a main choice and a danger from every race , how are the final selections arrived at ?
I'm not keen on doing all six – it's quite demanding (and today my 2 'bankers' were simply in the two races I thought I might get away with giving very little time to , so I never even noticed Regal Parade's win on Heavy) . An unfortunate incidental effect is that if I spend my time on Scoop6 races , and have no time to look at others , I feel compelled to back my selections , both individually and in a small Scoop6 perm (just in case!) , though they're often not races I'd otherwise choose to back in – so today was my worst day for quite some time – not that I risked a lot , but a successful trade on Hindu Kush (backed e/w at 33/1) was the only positive outcome .
Mike
Good work fellas. Not a bad showing all told I'd say, the tough all weather handicap was the fly in the ointment and a typical 'scoop 6 buster' 33-1 shot blew everyone away.
As Dave's analysis as shown we went fairly close in most races and I for one feel pretty hopeful that this syndicate can go well.
Just wish I'd backed Confront, but the lesson with that selection seems to be that in some cases it pays to keep things simple, i.e. consistent horse, top on most ratings, top trainer, no ground concerns and top on our poll. Not to mention, a very backable price. If only things were always so simple.
Nice work Dave for giving a big mention to Regal Parade and Yes Mr President. In such open races those kind of insights matter a lot when most attention focuses solely on the market leaders as was the case in the Sprint Cup.
Thanks for all the hard work Dave.
Can't wait to get going for real.
Cheers
Bob