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12:03 pm
24 September 2009


Dave

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These are on my radar for today being under 4 odds and outside the top-4, funny enough 3 Twiston-Davies runners in there ;-)

Unfortunately I am short of time this morning to filter them down any more but be interesting to see how they all get on…at a glance I would be less keen to take on Bermuda Pointe or Musaafer…maybe a Fishstat will confirm one or more of these ;-)

1:29 pm
24 September 2009


Fish

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Hi Dave,

I have no data yet for the NH and could do with some advice on what stats to do. The flat is fairly easy, I separate stakes and hcps (rightly or wrongly) so I have pure data for each race type ie pure hcap data for a trainer at a track. Then within stakes and hcaps I can then query by age group if necessary.

For NH should I group all hcap hurdles and chases together or separate them and then there is the novices and stakes, do I separate the novice hurdlers in one query and the novice chases in another, or do I group all hurdles together and all the chases together.

At this moment in time I am leaning towards all hcaps together and all stakes together, then separate them if required.

The stats are supposed to spot trends either negative or postive, its just a question of working out which way is best to query the data to be able to spot those trends.

Onto todays work,

Ponte 4.30

MA Jarvis, just querying his stakes data for Ascot right now and have just seen Rakti's QE11 race data from 2004, anyway back to Ponte,

MA Jarvis has sent 14 2yo's to the track in stakes races with at least one previous run with 6 winning and 9 placed, the stable is 5 from 7 in Class 4 for 2yo's stakes. At 8F the stable is 1 from 5 in 2yo stakes races with the winner at 4/9, the average loser odds is 6/1.

Out of those 14 2yo's, 8 were fav with 6 winning and 7 placed, an impressive record, the sire Marju has had 2 winners from 6 runners in stakes races at the track with 3 placed, the sires record in hcaps is 1 winner from 14 with 1 placed.

While I am here might as well give the stats on Channons runner Finest Reserve, Channon is 3 from 22 with 2yo stakes races, and 0 from 10 in a Class 4 2yo stakes race but according to the data has had two class 1 wins in 2yo stakes races.

Channon is 2 from 4 at 8F in 2yo stakes races.

The sire Royal Applause is 4 from 25 in stakes with 13 placed and in hcaps is 6 from 63 with 14 placed.

2:31 pm
24 September 2009


Dave

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Post edited 1:33 pm – 24 September 2009 by Dave


Cheers mate, yes I would have preferred 8 runners for that race at Ponty for an each-way bet on Finest Reserve but I am encouraged that Neil has it top-rated. At 11/2 1/4 the odds I may just take a chance on that upsetting the favourite or at least finish no worse than 2nd.

Yes it's hard to know how to split the NH data, especially as so many hurdlers graduate to fences and yet there are also chasers that run in hurdle races off supposedly 'lenient' marks. That was an angle I looked at some time ago, chasers reverting to hurdles off much lower marks but I can't find the stats on it at the moment.

I would probably lean towards separating hurdles from chases and then splitting to handicap v non-handicap. I know from experience in the past (costly) that handicap hurdles are the least reliable of all the codes when it comes to profitability for favourites ;-)

I'l be doing some work on this myself in a few weeks time although I still think there are some opportunities for spotting a few lighter weighted handicappers on the flat when the going gets soft, especially when the sire stats back it up. 

So much to study and so little time to get it all done !

4:07 pm
24 September 2009


Dave

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Great so far…6/6 lays have come in and all at very short odds ;-)

I've also managed to back the only Twiston-Davies winner so far at Perth with Billie Magern who should have been a bit shorter and just landed a nice bet on The Duke's Speech after I was ripping up my betting slip (metaphorically speaking of course) when he was 10 lengths down coming into the home straight.

4:36 pm
24 September 2009


Dave

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Cheers for the stats again Fish, your post (and the fact that Jarvis had won this race twice in the past) put me off laying the fav in the last. I also don't feel comfortable laying once-raced maidens especially when they are odds-on…still made a profit thanks to a nice e/w on Final Reserve…10/1 SP was a real bonus.

The only one I laid that won was the Gordon Elliott McMurdo Sound but I have a lot more respect for him at Perth than I did Twiston-Davies this week so didn't get too carried away.

7:15 pm
24 September 2009


Fish

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Sounds as though you have had a really good day Dave, with 6/7 lays and a couple of good win/place bets. I was surprised at the Sp on Finest Reserve, I missed the race as had to pop out for an hour.

In fact I have done nothing all day, not even Johnston's 4yo at Ponte, William Blake Wink

Just building my data on Kempton AW and Beckett is 6 from 7 placed in stakes races there when fav, so good for the placepot Wink

I will be around on friday in the chat room if you or anyone else is around.

7:47 pm
24 September 2009


Dave

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Yeah I may just pop in the chat room on Friday mate, still got a lot on my plate at the moment in terms of research and other stuff outside of betting but I'll be there.


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